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Valeria Shaposhnikova's avatar

great piece, love a new realization that 60s, 70s, 80s music definitions is indeed named and defined by western culture only

Patrick Kho's avatar

Thank you Valeria!

Ghost In The Sam's avatar

Blew my mind how popular Graduation was just a few years ago…

Patrick Kho's avatar

Genuinely cant believe it was released in 2007

ebenezer t's avatar

this is a really, really brilliant take. i personally wonder how much of this fragmentation is being accelerated by algorithms, where we increasingly inhabit completely different cultural worlds even while living/scrolling through the same moment.

agency strategist here for context and i’ve worked in geopolitics before and now, somewhat unexpectedly, finding myself learning to DJ/produce, this really resonated. i can draw inspiration from just about every genre/sub-genre, all within the same session that i decide to make music.

and i keep coming back to a slightly paradoxical question: when we have access to sounds from everywhere and every period at once, what actually makes something sound like now?

maybe the problem isn’t that everything literally sounds the same, but that the boundaries that once made sounds feel culturally and temporally distinct have collapsed. why? there’s more (house) music now and more scenes than ever, but i suppose, fewer shared reference points through which any one of them becomes the sound of a time.

anyway, all to say: your argument is very frickin spot on and has given me way too much to think about.

Patrick Kho's avatar

thank you for such a thoughtful comment ebenezer. and yeah totally agree with the boundaries collapsing. and i think that comment on house warrants some further investigation and research...

ebenezer t's avatar

ha - fair. granted, a lot of which are unwarranted hot takes on the industry/current situation. happy to talk separately if ever the chance comes :)

Patrick Kho's avatar

No no I meant that it was an interesting idea and I wanna look into it more LOL

ebenezer t's avatar

haha yeah, i figured! can’t wait to see what you land on for that one

Àgata Tell's avatar

Fantastic piece. I’ve really enjoyed it.

tobias's avatar

this is genious! congrats

Patrick Kho's avatar

Thank you :’)

Volja's avatar

The defining music of the 2020s is AI-generated music. I think the most iconic song of Gen Z will be "We Are Charlie Kirk" and the endless variations. There are covers in every language you can think of, and at least one Chinese nightclub blasted a Mandarin nightcore remix on the dance floor.

Patrick Kho's avatar

Interesting take, I’m inclined to agree that nightcore is defining the 20s in *some* way. Definitely worth looking into

Connor Maloney's avatar

So why’d this only happen in the 2020s and not earlier?

Patrick Kho's avatar

Because these problems had only gotten more intense in this decade. Poptimism represented a kind of woke 1 era forward trajectory, like the supposed prejudiced past it was disavowing, music of the era did away with a lot of traditions for the sake of cultural omnivorism. Brad troemel and David Marx spoke of this already, but that still represented a dominant forward looking narrative of history that we don’t seem to have anymore today

Welcome to idgafistan's avatar

music from the perspective of politics.. hmm i love itt

had a thought, maybe the reason the 2020s feel like they don’t have a defining sound isn’t that music has become less interesting, but that there are finally too many histories happening at once to collapse into one genre

Patrick Kho's avatar

Haha yes that’s exactly what the essay is arguing